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- IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)
-
- REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE
-
- September 10th, 1992
-
- Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary
-
- This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
- For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
-
- iesg-secretary@nri.reston.va.us
-
- ATTENDEES
- ---------
-
- Almquist, Philip / Consultant
- Borman, David / Cray Research
- Crocker, Dave / TBO
- Crocker, Steve / TIS
- Gross, Philip / ANS
- Hinden, Robert / SUN
- Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
- Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI
-
- Regrets
- Coya, Steve / CNRI
- Davin, Chuck / MIT
- Hobby, Russ /UC-Davis
- Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
- Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
- Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
-
-
-
- AGENDA
- ------
-
- 1) Administrivia
- o Review of Action Items
- o Approval of Minutes
- - August 24th
- - August 31st
-
- 2) Protocol Actions
-
- o TCP/IP Header Compression
- o Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol
- o DHCP Options
- o Interworking of DHC and BootP
- o Decnet IV Control Protocol for PPP
- o String Representation of Distinguished Names
- o SNMP over OSI
- o SNMP over Appletalk
- o Generic Interface MIB
- o Token Ring MIB
- o Token Bus MIB
- o LAP-B MIB
- o X.25 Packet MIB
- o RIP Version 2
- o RIP Version 2 MIB
- o RIP Protocol Analysis
-
- 3) Technical Management Issues
-
- o Better IESG Review of Working Group Efforts
- o ROAD Work Plan
- o Identity Protocol
-
- 4) Working Group Actions
-
- o SNMP Evolution (snmpev)
- o P. Internet Protocol (pip)
- o IP Address Encapsulation (ipae)
- o Whois and Network Information Lookup Service (wnils)
- o Integration of Internet Information Service (iiis)
- o Remote Conferencing (remconf)
- o Connection IP (cip)
-
-
-
- MINUTES
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- 1) Administrivia
-
- o Bash the Agenda
-
- A discussion of the procedures and expectations for IESG review was
- scheduled for this meeting.
-
- o Approval of the Minutes
-
- The minutes of the August 24th teleconference were approved. The
- minutes of the August 31st were held over to allow additional
- review.
-
- 2) Protocol Actions.
-
- o TCP Header Compression
-
- Dave Borman has worked to get clarifications and a new document
- produced with little sucess. After discussion possible courses of
- action, the IESG agreed to set a date of September 21st, after which
- the IESG would notify the IETF that it was unable to progress the
- document to Draft Standard status. This notification will include a
- solicitation for additional help.
-
- o Dynamic Host Configuration.
-
- The IESG reviewed the Dynamic Host Configuration documents and found
- them lacking both in editorial format and clarity and in technical
- completeness. The IESG discussed the degree of change needed to be
- done before the IESG would progress the documents.
-
- Action: Almquist -- Compile a list of minimum changes required in the
- Dynamic Host Configuration documents, submit these changes to the
- author and request the changes.
-
- o Decnet IV for PPP.
-
- The IESG did not review the PPP Extensions for Decnet Phase IV. The
- IESG noted the delay in reviewing this protocol and discussed
- procedures to insure that further delay is avoided.
-
- Action: Almquist -- Conduct a review of the PPP Extensions for Decnet
- IV by September 14th.
-
- o String Representation of Distinguished Names
- o SNMP over OSI
- o SNMP over Appletalk
-
- Neither Dave Piscitello nor Eric Huizer were present to discuss
- these protocols. The IESG did note that a discussion is occurring
- on the IESG and IAB mailing list about the rational for
- standardizing SNMP over other non-ietf protocol stacks. This has
- not yet been completely resolved but is a topic the IESG needs to
- address in the recommendation.
-
- Action: Vaudreuil -- Research the discussions on SNMP over other
- protocol stacks from the approval of the Multiprotocol SNMP Charter
- discussions and send to the IESG list.
-
- o Generic Interface MIB
- o Token Ring MIB
- o Token Bus MIB
- o LAP-B MIB
- o X.25 Packet MIB
-
- Chuck Davin was unable to attend this teleconference and these
- protocols were not discussed.
-
- o RIP Version 2
- o RIP Version 2 MIB
- o RIP Protocol Analysis
-
- The IESG reviewed the RIP Version 2 protocol. The protocol is
- straight forward and technically complete. The IESG is concerned
- about the general opposition to RIP as a routing protocol and tasked
- Hinden to get an external review of the constituency and
- architectural need for this protocol extension.
-
- Action: Hinden -- Assemble an external review of the case for making
- RIPV2 specification a proposed standard in preparation for sending the
- recommendation to the IAB.
-
- 3) Technical Management Issues
-
- o Better IESG Review of Working Group Efforts
-
- The IESG discussed the need to improve the level of technical
- guidance and timeliness and began a review of its internal
- procedures for reviewing working group efforts and protocol
- documents. One recurring problem is that of an Area Director
- becoming swamped by a burst of standards activity, such as that
- currently experienced in the Internet Area. One successful
- management technique used in the Network Management and Security
- areas is that of using a body of experts as reviewers for
- specifications and mentors for working groups. After discussing
- these successes, the IESG agreed that all areas should create such
- advisory and review groups.
-
- POSITION: All IESG Areas should have advisory groups to facilitate
- better tracking of working group efforts and timely protocol review.
-
- Action: Vaudreuil -- Plan an hour during the September 21st
- teleconference for further discussion of IESG technical review.
-
- o Road Work Plan
-
- Hinden and Gross were unable to complete the IESG Routing and
- Addressing plan and plan to have this posted as an Internet Draft by
- September 14th.
-
- o Identity Protocol
-
- The IESG discussed the IDENT protocol and the controversy on the
- IETF list. After an analysis of the various documents and
- discussions by Dave Borman, the issues were reduced into a question
- about the interoperability between RFC 931 and currently deployed
- software as documented by TAP. It was the understanding that the
- technical differences between RFC 931, IDENT, and TAP were minor and
- with small changes to IDENT and reasonable implementation, there
- should be no interoperability problems.
-
- Action: Borman -- Document the analysis of IDENT and interoperability
- with similar protocols and send it to the IETF list.
-
- Action: S. Crocker -- Solicit reviews from other dis-interested
- individuals on the interoperability of IDENT, TAP, and RFC 931.
-
- Action: S. Crocker -- Ask the author of IDENT to submit a new document
- with changes necessary to insure the interoperability between IDENT and
- TAP and RFC931.
-
- 4) Working Group Actions
-
- o SNMP Evolution (snmpev)
-
- A potential conflict with the SNMP Security Working Group was raised
- but without the attendance of Chuck Davin, was not resolved.
-
- o P. Intenet Protocol (pip)
- o IP Address Encapsulation (ipae)
-
- Both of these charters are on hold pending publication of the IESG
- ROAD work plan document. The charter for NIMROD is pending the
- formation of a Working Group and is not expected to be ready to send
- with the initial set of charters. No word has been heard from the
- TUBA camp.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a poke to the TUBA folks to solicit a charter
- for their efforts.
-
- o Whois and Network Information Lookup Service (wnils)
-
- Russ Hobby was not on the teleconference to discuss this charter.
- The charter is waiting a refinement to narrow the scope of the work
- to templates and protocol clean-ups, not extensions.
-
- o Integration of Internet Information Service (iiis)
-
- A draft of the architecture statement was sent to the IESG list. A
- list of issues needing further work was suggested, including a more
- comprehensive discussion of security, including access and privacy,
- A narrowing of the NIR scope to exclude the drafting of templates,
- and the conceptual integration of the work of the IAFA and WNILS
- groups.
-
- Action: Reynolds -- Work with the relevant chairs to update the
- architecture statement and send updated charters to the IESG Secretary
- for recording.
-
- o Remote Conferencing (remconf)
-
- Discussion of this Working Group was deferred until Russ Hobby could
- participate.
-
- o Connection IP (cip)
-
- The IESG accepted the Working Group chairman suggestion that the
- group conclude.
-
- Action: Vaudreuil -- Announce the conclusion of the Connection IP
- Working Group.
-
-
- Appendix - Action Items
- --------
-
- Action: Almquist -- Compile a list of minimum changes required in the
- Dynamic Host Configuration documents, submit these changes to the
- author and request the changes.
-
- Action: Almquist -- Conduct a review of the PPP Extensions for Decnet
- IV by September 14th.
-
- Action: Vaudreuil -- Research the discussions on SNMP over other
- protocol stacks from the approval of the Multiprotocol SNMP Charter
- discussions and send to the IESG list.
-
- Action: Hinden -- Assemble an external review of the case for making
- RIPV2 specification a proposed standard in preparation for sending the
- recommendation to the IAB.
-
- Action: Vaudreuil -- Plan an hour during the September 21st
- teleconference for further discussion of IESG technical review.
-
- Action: Borman -- Document the analysis of IDENT and interoperability
- with similar protocols and send it to the IETF list.
-
- Action: S. Crocker -- Solicit reviews from other dis-interested
- individuals on the interoperability of IDENT, TAP, and RFC 931.
-
- Action: S. Crocker -- Ask the author of IDENT to submit a new document
- with changes necessary to insure the interoperability between IDENT and
- TAP and RFC931.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a poke to the TUBA folks to solicit a charter
- for their efforts.
-
- Action: Reynolds -- Work with the relevant chairs to update the
- architecture statement and send updated charters to the IESG Secretary
- for recording.
-
- Action: Vaudreuil -- Announce the conclusion of the Connection IP
- Working Group.
-
- Appendix - Positions Taken
- --------
-
- POSITION: All IESG Areas should have advisory groups to facilitate
- better tracking of working group efforts and timely protocol review.
-
-
- Appendix - Outline for IETF Document Review
- --------
-
- - Document Info
- - Title, author, date of document, date of review, Area and AD
- - Name of reviewer
- - What is the proposed status (PS, DS, IS, Info, Exp)?
- - Is it part of a set of documents?
- - Technical Summary and Overview of the Protocol (~half page)
- - Technical Assessment (~half page)
- - Is the protocol technically sound as proposed?
- - Does it fit into the Internet architectural model? (or, does
- it stretch or violate the Internet architecture?)
- - How important is the protocol? Why is it needed?
- - What are the advantages and disdvantages (if any) of the
- chosen approach?
- - Document Quality (~half page)
- - Is the document well written overall? (eg, table of contents,
- appropriate level of background material, good references,
- easily to read and understand, etc)
- - Is it specified well enough for independent implementors to
- write interoperable implementations?
- - Summary of Working Group Deliberations (~half page)
- - Was there clear consensus on the issues?
- - Were there competing approachs to the problem
- -If so, do the supporters of the alternate approaches now
- support the WG document?
- - Has the I-D been openly available for review for the required period
- - Has the WG met openly (eg, at IETF meetings)
- - Was the WG generally on time and within their charter
-
-